PAS Seminar

pasc8-01-4

4th Dimension part 2

Reference groups come up with many of the same ideas that Gittinger did
  purely by intuition. Saunders did this in statistical space.

4th dimension gives us a way to look at broader issue of what activity level
is to Gittinger. How does a particular personality show itself in a
particular environment and person.

CN: quickly seem to be able to cope with stress well - maybe even enabled by it.
e.g. People who do extreme rock climbing are enabled by the stress - most 
     fully alive when doing such things. They are normally so laid back, they
     need something big to get going. They are right there in a crisis.
     People who put off papers to last minute.

Low CN: disabled by stress. Can be stress avoiding.
 
So question is: under what kinds of environment does person perform best.
High CN: needs a lot of excitement
         this person does well in high stress situations

Low CN: do well in low stress situations.
        poorly in high stress situations.

Everyone has a point of so low stress they are bored and need some reason to
  get going, but high CN get more efficient as stress keeps ramping up.

Heyman: Goal is big object, task a small object.
  Saw high CN as goal oriented - perseveres under adversity. 
     Others had problem with getting tied up in task.

G = goal
T = task

How know if G or T

CN and TE do not correlate to NL. DSY also not very correlated as well with
IQ as others. 
So: First look at DSY as the old activity level.

Relationship of CN to DSY determines G or T
Important to give DSY, then CN, then TE.
This is because DSY retest reliability is not very good.

CN>= DSY = G
CN < DSY = T

NL does not come into play.

G deal with the world in terms of problem solving - polyactive
  not planning and deal with things as they come. Don't worry about but
  do well.

People disabled by stress two kinds:
  a. If I don't plan ahead things will be a mess. Pro-active.
      Get things done with orderliness. They don't want caught
      close to "deadline" and by the stress.
  b. Don't plan ahead and say "help" under stress. Reactive.    

Find all three of these in all primitive patterns.
In Saunders: 40 groups polyactive
             40 proactive
	     40 reactive
Each has a primitive indicator but not be the normal PAS primitives.

Prim: CN
Basic: DSY
Surface: TE

for G
Basic: DSY >= M = u
       DSY L= c

For T DSY>=M = c
      DSY L = u

TE: 100 seconds on the nose that is a 12.
  12 or higher is u              T: 12 or higher c
  10 or lower is c                  10 or lower is u
  11 is o                           

Tuu stress vulnerable and does not try

Tcc work alcoholic - showing no wimp

Guu - climb rocks in bare fingernails and sneakers

Gcc - impatient. Dig in heals and become intransigent and everyone else
     is under stress. Passive aggressive - sit at green light.

e.g.A Gcc will continually induce stress to a Tuu who will then be in
    a frenzy.
    Gcc - daring child squelched by a mother who wanted safe and calm

Tuc knows stress disabled but tries from time to time. Takes a long time.

Tcu - bites off more than can chew.

Guc - thrives on stress but a short time fuse - don't want to work for
  one of these.

Gcu - low energy and laid back. Not digging heels in but laid back.
      An ambivalence about whether they will deal with stressful situation
      or not. Might come through in a pinch.

Bob: Trying to think about I/E differences.

   Gcu OK for an I low DSY OK
   Guc with an I more internal

Not comfortable with ones surface and basic differ from each other.
Tend not to use with notation. Prefer reference groups.

All G are some kind of polyactive
Some T proactive and some reactive

How it fits together is ongoing.